Women in The Quran; An article especially for those in the BNP, UKIP, English Democrats or English Defence League  |  The Conservative Blog

Perrie,

about the BNP, you say their message is:

The economic problems that the UK is undergoing can be directly linked to Muslims. Their message also includes a fear factor that Muslims, as well as other immigrant groups, are trying to do away with British culture.

But about the labour party you say:

The sad fact here, is that the Labour Party is to blame for this mess

Seems a bit of a stretch to hold a weak Labour Party responsible for knee-jerk fascism. That's a bit of a hop-skimp-jump logic, isn't it? They certainly aren't helping much of anything, but...entirely to blame?

I'm not sold.

Thanks for the article, Dennis. I got smarter here.

Their slogan ought to be "We hate Muslims. Well, we used to hate 'Pakis' and Gypsies and Gays, but now we hate Muslims. Alright, Alright, we started out hating blacks, then we hated 'Pakis' and Gypsies and Gays, but now we hate Muslims. And we've always hated Jews. And we're not fond of you uppity women, either"

Kind of reminds me of the modern USA Republican party after they stopped being the party of Lincoln.

Ian,

Then you are unaware of the Labour Parties policies. They have been giving immigrants free housing, food, health care, and an education, for doing nothing more then moving to the UK. They also don't pay a shilling in taxes. The brunt of these expenses are falling on the working and middle class in the UK. This has bred an anger to the open door policy that the Labour party installed. The BNP has capitalized on this, and that immigration was their battle cry when they won 2 seats the European Parliament. They are now embolden by their wins in both the EU Parliament and in local elections. So the more comfortable they feel with their new found power, the more they reach out with what is just under the British skin, which is a Nationalism that has always existed there. I would know, as I grew up there.

Going after Muslims for their faith is just the beginning of their agenda.

Seems a bit of a stretch to hold a weak Labour Party responsible for knee-jerk fascism. That's a bit of a hop-skimp-jump logic, isn't it? They certainly aren't helping much of anything, but...entirely to blame?

Obviously, the Labour party is not the only reason that this is happening. As I said earlier on, this has been always just under the British skin. But they are to blame for their open door policy that has the middle and working class heavily taxed at about at total rate of 60%. I would like to see how American's would feel....I think it would be very easy for many to buy into a Nationalism under those conditions. Heck, just look at the knee jerk reaction to Mexicans. Calling children "Anchor Babies" is positively gross. And other then medical care and an education, what are we giving them? My point is that it doesn't take much to push people over the edge and look for scape goats when it starts to effect their pocketbooks.

Perrie,

Excellent response, I must say. You managed to make no defense of the BNP while making a strong indictment of Labour and how its policies are contributing to the growth of nationalism. Your argument is detailed, unemotional, and non-rhetorical.

I am of the firm opinion that the growth of facism in democracies is preceded by flatulent weakness of leadership at exactly the wrong moments and in exactly the wrong ways. They let the worst problems fester and focus on message rather than substance. If the festering is allowed to grow unabated, the strongest movement vying for power (which by no means implies the worthiest--usually it's just the opposite) will always fill the vacuum. People want order. If they are scared they want it all the more. They are particularly vulnerable to leaders or movements which capitalize on and foment those fears. Always, they offer a virulent nationalism as the only solution.

So...do you have a solution? When I look at Labour in Britain right now, it's hard to imagine how they could possible manage to be more weak in message and substance. But...it's impossible for me to imagine a better alternative. Clue me in as to your take.

Dennis, Where is she wrong? Is labour right in policy, just weak in message? Weak in both? Right in both? Pray tell. And as for your description of BNP and their verbose bumper sticker...no surprise there. They're a horrible bunch. And sure they are full of sh*t. But...how to emasculate them?

Sigh. You're right. Off-topic. Sorta.

Islamophobia and far-right disinformation is the topic of the seed. Yet I have to admit the discussion of how Labour is doing in Britain or, moreover, how the left is doing in terms of dealing with--or not dealing with--the societal strains that are contributing to the rise of nationalistic movements is...well, sorta off topic, I guess.

I appreciate the link. There is no doubt in my mind that right wing reactionaries in the western world are a significantly bigger threat than global terrorism. I don't say that lightly. Not at all. No Kumbaya here. But regardless of what inspires terrorists, or where they come from, I care more about maintaining the freedoms of the west more than I do about combating terrorists. I just wish the political left in this country and in Europe would get their sh*t together and be louder, more idealistic, and less apologetic. They must lead. The alternative is gloomy.

Done!

Islam in the 21st century, religion or politics? Pffft. Amazing how people surrender their brains to prejudice, but I suppose its the easy way. Easy, but stupid.

Good job being a spokesperson for the BNP and bigotry.

Magz,

Good job being a fine spokesperson for those who would rightly ridicule the BNP and their bigotry.

oops...that was a stupid mistake on my part...sorry.