Updated: Gaza Street Market: Graphic Content.

What the video does not show is that Hamas has been launching rockets at Israel for, well, the last few years.  War is hell and Hamas is to blame for this!

Xerxes-727854,

4 victims on the occupier side versus over 500 on the besieged side? This is an insult to my intelligence.

What the video does not show is that Hamas has been launching rockets at Israel for, well, the last few years.  War is hell and Hamas is to blame for this!

One could argue that these rockets were retaliation for continuous incursions into Gaza by the IDF.

So wait, what you're saying Eric is the fact that Hamas has been attacking Israel for over 2 years is irrelevant, because the crimes of Israel are worse. Despite the fact that civilians (including children) have been killed by these rockets?

Gotta love that logic, so people who have a technological disadvantage always have the moral high ground over their opponents?

So wait, what you're saying Eric is the fact that Hamas has been attacking Israel for over 2 years is irrelevant, because the crimes of Israel are worse. Despite the fact that civilians (including children) have been killed by these rockets?

Gotta love that logic

How are you at what we adults call "adding up"?

run away and count your dead kiddies , then count the other sides.

get back to us after you've studied logic a bit further.

Not that I think the current action against Gaza is particularly fantastic, but...

justice in war is, believe it or not, not a matter of math. you don't tally the losses on each side and declare the side with fewer civilian losses the aggressor.

if you've studied "just war" theory a bit further, you will understand this.

Writing Athena,

 Not that I think the current action against Gaza is particularly fantastic, but... 
 justice in war is, believe it or not, not a matter of math.... 

 if you've studied "just war" theory a bit further, you will understand this. 

Perhaps you have studied too much. One's humanity may end up being lost, wedged between two theories.

Gotta love that logic, so people who have a technological disadvantage always have the moral high ground over their opponents?

That's a rather idiotic statement. No one in this conflict has the moral high ground. They are all evil, but only the Israelis are using state of the art war machines on unarmed civilians in a close urban setting. As Machiavelli said: "Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised."

CNN just reported that UN and Palestinian sources say that of the 400+ deaths so far, 25% are civilian. Did Israel just get "lucky" and manage to hit non-civilians (i.e., armed militants) most of the time?

Or is Israel perhaps targeting militants who use civilians as human shields?

If Israel were interested in slaughtering unarmed civilians, one day of carpet-bombing in Gaza would pretty much do it. Instead, their aim seems to be to debilitate Hamas while killing as few civilians as possible.

Isreal has an ally..........that would be U.S.

Isreal has 77 billion in aid.

isreal has great big military we helped to arm with all the latest toys.

Isreal has mastered the "poor" me thing (and actually I thought americans really hated that, I mean, the whole "cut of the poor" mentality here and all)

Palestine..............has trapped, hungry, dying, population.  and rockets.

yeah............those nasty old rockets they have been using as Isreal has consistantly bagged and tagged these people.  Who do you think will be next to get "kicked" out of their homes and lives because someone well financed comes along and wants what is under them?

Writing Athena-

CNN just reported that UN and Palestinian sources say that of the 400+ deaths so far, 25% are civilian

Do you have a link to that story or the video, because I can't find those figures at CNN?

  Writing Athena         "just war" theory

Sounds like 2 + 2 = 5.

JaRagga --

Was on CNN TV this morning -- probably CNN International. I was flicking between the 2 CNNS, BBC, BBC America, and Fox.

from reading comments, I dont' think that a lot of the people blaming Hamas for this war know that Israel illegally occupies Palestine.

This isn't like Mexico firing rockets into Texas or Arizona and having us retaliate. It's be like us taking control of mexico through force and not allowing them to be a country in their own right. Then when they get pissed at us and try to fight back for their freedom, we build a wall to keep them in. Then, despite what the UN says, we start to move in and take their houses and land. And if they still keep fighting back (the nerve of them!), we'll cut off all humanitarian aid.  We'll label them terrorists (it's a fine line between terrorist and freedom fighter, isn't it?).  Then let's build highways throughout Mexico for americans ONLY to connect our new houses.  If anyone speaks out against us, we'll cite 9/11 and call them un-patriotic. 

If my city (Buffalo, NY) was taken by force and became occupied territory, I would fight back. It wouldn't be for my elected government, but for my self, my family and my pride as a living human being.  

From MSNBC:

The new deaths brought the death toll in the Gaza Strip to more than 500 since Dec. 27. Palestinian and U.N. officials say at least 100 civilians are among the dead.

You can find the whole article here: Israeli forces bisect Gaza, surround biggest city

So, while 20% civilian casualties is still awfully high, it's better than 25% or -- God forbid -- 50%.

Strategically, tactically, and ethically, Israel's action in Gaza is probably not the best choice. However, it is deceptive and disingenuous to accuse Israel of "targeting civilians." They're targeting Hamas, as the Palestinian authority's own numbers clearly indicate.

Thank you Writing Athena, but after reading the article I still don't see any breakdown of the numbers.  Perhaps it's been updated to remove that information?  I see another spot where it's talking about the ground incursion and 31 civilians killed but not what you listed.

Ah well, fog of war, such an accurate thing to say.  It'll be likely be some time before the mist clears enough to tell what really is happening.

Well, let's make this suffering worth it.  By ensuring Hamas are crippled once and for all.  Don't let this end in another unstable truce that will allow terrorism to go on and set up a repeat of this in another few weeks or months.

This is war and war is terrible.  It is worse when one side (Hamas) goes to lengths to ensure they cannot be attacked without civilian casualties.  The fact that they do that is a war crime, because they are causing civilians to be at the locations of legitimate military targets.

It is awful, but this action is necessary.  The extent of civilian casualties would have been lower if Hamas were not illegally using human shields, but the responsibility is entirely theirs.  Israel is entitled to defend its civilians whether Hamas use human shields or not.

Well, unfortunately I couldn't discern much... it sounded terrible though.

I can't find anything on Google News about an Israeli air strike on a Gaza market. ??

Strangely I did find an account saying that some agricultural fields were hit. ??

Are you surprised?

Yes, I am surprised. The world press thrives on bad news. Reporters would be all over an incident such as this one like white on rice.

The Muslim world's press should certainly have been all over such a report. Yet the only source I can find that has made this report is... the one that you've seeded. ??

you will see what 77 billion dollars in aid will allow you to see.  you will hear what 77 billion dollars of american aid to Isreal wants you to hear.  If you are ok with that then look no more.......corporate media controls what you see, what you hear and thus what you know...........unless you continue to look for history that is given by all who are involved, not just those who win, and write the history.

I can't even find anything on this on Al Jazeera. ??

Well, let's make this suffering worth it. By ensuring Hamas are crippled once and for all. Don't let this end in another unstable truce that will allow terrorism to go on and set up a repeat of this in another few weeks or months.

Hamas is just a name. These are people who have nothing to live for. So long as they continue to be ground beneath Israel's boot, so long as their parents, children, brothers and sisters are slaughtered en masse, they will hate their oppressors, organize - by any name - and strike back as best they are able.

One day - perhaps not this generation, perhaps not the next, but eventually - one of them will acquire a weapon of mass destruction. And that will be the end of Israel. Its violence will return, and kill it.

There is another way. It is the only way Israel will ever find peace. Israel must commence a program of adopting Palestinian orphans, extend the hand of friendship and hospitality to those it has sought to destroy, ask their forgiveness, set up schools to teach peace, compassion and tolerance, and learn those virtues itself.

This may seem improbable, but it has succeeded before - in India and in South Africa. If Israel cannot reform its heart, its inhumanity and violence will create yet another generation of terrorists. And one day one of them will succeed.

If Israel cannot reform its heart, its inhumanity and violence will create yet another generation of terrorists. 

About a year ago, that was more or less what Arun Gandhi, grandson of the Mahatma, was actually saying in Palestine in a Gush Shalom Peace March. But the focus of his message was deliberately shifted to another element that was poorly worded, he was ostracized and labelled a bigot (including many here working the Zionist propaganda machine on Newsvine) and totally silenced, his reputation in tatters.

Those that keep reminding Israel that there is another way, including so many Jews in and out of Israel, simply meet a dead end. And the terrorists from all sides of the conflict are the only ones that win. While innocent humans on all sides continue to be lambs to the slaughter.

Dennis I have a bit of confusion about this happening yesterday. What was the temperature in Gaza yesterday. Is it not winter and these people are all in short sleeves except for the Jack Booted Thugs pushing people around (8:17 of the video). I do admit it was a horrible scene but it could have been a suicide bomb of another day or when that truck load of Hamas rockets exploded about two years ago.

Anybody know what the temp was in Gaza yesterday?

The BBC seems to have some weather reporting for Gaza.

After looking for any other source to corroborate the story and having failed to find any, I am strongly of the opinion that the video is suspect.

5 degrees Celsius = about 41 degrees Fahrenheit.  I rarely wear more than a tee-shirt in such temperatures myself, but you'll see people wearing anything from a tee-shirt to a large coat where I live when it's that temperature.

Oh and converting from Celsius to Fahrenheit is pretty easy.  Just take 1.8 multiply by the degrees in Celsius then add 32.  So 1.8 x 5 (degrees in Celsius) + 32 = 41 degrees Fahrenheit.

Temperature really doesn't mean anything. I've seen people wearing t-shirts and shorts here in Canada at -20C. Freaks.

btw - this video has just been discredited.

I have to agree the video was old news used to garner sympathy and is propaganda.  I admit it worked on me to a degree but I tend to believe both sides are religious nuts personally.  I'd been trying to find corroboration of this video since yesterday glad it's not what it appears to be but that doesn't mean Israelis are not killing innocents in the assault. 

We have to remind ourselves that NOTHING and I mean NOTHING, gets in or out of Gaza without Israel's blessing and that goes for main stream news and/or video.  We really don't have a good idea about what's going on in Gaza in reality and we'll get what news we do get through Israeli filters until someone can smuggle out other details.

The title itself should be modified to convey the fact that this video has been discredited. Otherwise folks might just watch the video without reading the tiny disclaimer and still believe it's real news.

You should modify the title to reflect the fact that the video isn't that of an Israeli attack on a Gaza marketplace but rather an incident in which a Hamas truck blew up at a Hamas rally.

Otherwise you're still promoting the video incorrectly, and worse - deliberately so.

Dennis/Eric,

What I would like to point out is that Hamas chooses to launch its rockets from the densely populated areas in the Gaza Strip where a retaliatory attack by the Israelis will sadly but surely cause civilian casualties.

That said, go to Google Earth and see that there are still areas in the Gaza Strip where it is sparsely populated.  Hamas could obviously use farms from as launching areas for their Qassam rockets but cowards that they are, they would rather get their own civilian killed.  Then, they would broadcast the civilian casualties like the linked video and claim "genocide".

I find it sad and tragic that these civilians had to suffer and die because their Hamas government is too cowardly to fight the Israelis on a mano-a-mano battle without civilian human shields.

Now, your turn.  Please answer all my comments above coherently and without, in the words of Eric Albert,  "repeating the same irrelevant facts".

And, Eric Albert, please explain the "issue of OCCUPATION, APARTHEID, AND WAR CRIMES" when giving Palestinians a state does not mean they now have the right to launch Qassam rockets and suicide bombers at another country, Israel. 

"makes the rocket issue a non issue, an excuse for mass murder".  It is precisely the "rocket issue" that triggered this round of fighting.  Remove this "rocket issue" and "human suicide bomber issue" then Hamas will make dramatic steps to achieve peace.

Askari, if I could vote you up more than once, that comment would be off the charts.

The Israelis have not achieved their needed security, just more rage and hatred.

The Palestinians  have not achieved their freedom and self-determination, just more rage and hatred. 

Ask yourself who benefits from keeping these wars and conflicts going?

Maybe Americans will get the opportunity to empathize with being "held captive" just as Palestinians are trapped in this strip.

One reacts as one must when one is cornered.  with rage.........but also with the desire to survive.

U.S. and Israeli elites win.  Fewer useless eaters.  The conflict is in reducing the numbers of poor who do the work that makes the profits and in this is where the problem has now come to light. those who are almost comfortable will not do the work that poor do, as it can not sustain their lifestyle, so many have seen the light and now know that the middle class must be reduced and the poor (who already are accustomed to surviving and must be protected) must continue supplying the elite with cheap labor and services.

Israel is in the process of garnering their land..........taking thier place, and will have to consider who will supply their largess when U.S. aid is cut due to economic conditions........but, is aid being cut and Ameircans keeping those needed resources?

Don't feed the trolls Dennis.

On this I disagree with you Dennis.  Religion has a great deal to do with this mess, it's the religious indoctrination of the youth on both sides that helped to create the political situation we witness and it is that indoctrination of religion that perpetuates it.  Religion is a tool used by both sides to validate their positions of righteousness.

I said when we went into Iraq that every bomb we dropped created militants.  Militants who did not exist because of religion, but were born of grief and pain.

A father, mother, son, daughter, sister, brother watching their loved one be blown to bits - who could blame that person for becoming a militant, seeking revenge?

This is a bitter harvest that Israel is sowing. It sows the seeds of its own destruction.  I do not know how or when it will happen, but this vicious and indiscriminate killing of people is wrong.  As Hamas is wrong. 

Palestinians are given blue license plates.  this is about Palestinian NOT being Jewish. Israeli Army has check points and stop anyone with a blue license plate.  they held an ambulance with a Palestinian in labor, she was held at the check point in her ambulance and the first baby died............she was transferred to an ambulance on the other side of the check point, the second baby died upon arrival at the hospital.  there are many people who are killed because they are Palestinian.............Israeli's are not hindered. Foreigners are not hindered.

This is about land...................and who wants it.

The conflict is political, but both sides use religion as a tool. The basis of the conflict is not religious.

But many of the commoners, particularly on the Palestinian side do not see the difference between the political and the religious, to them it is religious and about seeing God.  Political ends can't win over suicide bombers, that is the realm of martyrs and martyrdom is the realm of the religious.  On the Israeli side, it is about their faith that they are righteous because god is on their side and supposedly always has been.  We just disagree a little and that's okay.  I do however firmly believe if the religious elements to this conflict could be separated from it, they would not be fighting.

this is about land.................

remember the dancing Israelis?

Well, as I said we just disagree.  It's a question of which came first the chicken or the egg.  We agree on what's important and that is the violence needs to stop.

this is about land.................

Yes, and that land is "holy land" that both groups want, right?  So how is that not religious?

not to quibble but wasn't Hamas elected by the Palestinian people during an Israeli supported democratic election that when Hamas won, Israel decided to reject the results (not saying they shouldn't have since Hamas won't agree to recognized Israel) when the Israeli backed Fatah lost?

Wrong, HANAS is a group and a terrorist organization, Israel is a recognized democratic state, that has "that land". It is about religion for HAMAS and it is about survival for Israel.

Well...that may or may not be true, but either way the land is something that both groups want because it has religious significance for them.  Whether each group is legitimate or not is not something I was discussing.

Keep up the trolling though, Wild Rabbit, that will definitely do a lot to help your point.

I saw children, a lot of children.  

onewomansopinion,

These people are in their own countries occupied by Israel. I have not paid attention to masks. But if I was a Palestinian over there, I would be masked too for fear of reprisals. They are home, but under Israeli occupation.

Most Palestinians aren't "home", they were pushed off their land by Jewish settlers and then the walls went up keeping them from ever returning to the homes they built with their own hands.

JaRagga, thanks for the clarification.  It is worst than I thought.

If there was no religion all would be peaceful, another liberal progressive crock of waste.  It would be world wide crips and bloods.  What a goofy notion the areligious have.

If the Palestinians want to live on the Jewish land, all they have to do is become Jews.  How much more simple could it get?

But Jews becoming Muslim would just move them into one of the Muslim gang factions that fight themselves, like the Sunni and Shia, Hamas and Fatah and Hezbollah, or Iran and Iraq.  Or they might have to wear bomb vests and fly planes into buildings in the west.  Now if the Muslims became Jews, problem solved!!!

*belch, fart*

Naah. That wouldn't work either. All them athiests would then protest that the Boodoos were suicide bombers in disguise and refuse to board a plane with them.

But hey, they're damn comfy. Them long silky robes.

Buddhists are peaceful

Not always:

Korean Buddhists have been quarreling, and periodically fighting, with each other for decades, although they claim to be against violence. The conflict has nothing to do with theology but reflects gangster influences and competition for the riches that come with control over the religion's biggest order in Korea.

http://www.iht.com/articles/1998/12/05/seoul.t.php

Hey, everyone is catching on!  If we could confine our inevitable conflicts to food fights or mud wrestling, it would be such great fun.

FSM?

???

Buddhists are peaceful because it's really hards to fight in those long robes.

Don't watch many Kung-Fu movies do ya Dennis ;)

Yes. The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I understand now.

You made the comments about Buddhist in an off hand manner, but it does bring out an important point. Its not the religion that is violent, it is the members.

Other than old pagan religions which practiced human sacrifice, religion in itself is a positive thing. It is how it is perverted by people that makes it bad.

.  .  .  . just pointing out not all old pagan religions practiced human sacrifice least some crazy start thinking their Wiccan neighbor is a baby killer.

Well made point otherwise ;)

Yes I should have said "some"; however I do get a kick out of some of those people who want to revive them thinking how wonderful some them were.

If you don't feel this is about religion, please pull your head out of the sand

This massacre is so ugly that I almost believe you. A fight for religion is one of the very few causes that can bring such ugliness out of people. Remember the crusades and the inquisition?

In this case, I think it is mainly a mixture of realestate & religion (Israel), strategic posturing for money(lobbying) oil and power(USA), guilt feelings for past injustices(Europe), and a few other underlying reasons here and there.

base on JaRagga's precision,

 Most Palestinians aren't "home", they were pushed off their land by Jewish settlers and then the walls went up keeping them from ever returning to the homes they built with their own hands.

I have to rectify my comment above "I think it is mainly a mixture of realestate & religion (Israel), " to read "...of realestate & religion (Israel & Palestine),"

Jason, I'm going to be gentle with you as I should.  PLEASE take the time to read something that is not government or corporate-controlled.  Your comments have no basis in reality or perspective because you haven't taken the time to properly inform yourself.

We don't forget.  History gets re-written by those ashamed of their deeds.

>>Iraq did not attack the United States on 9/11, al-Qaeda did.

Or, perhaps, the authors of that horror, as well as this video, were one in the same.

Jason, you are correct your experiences in Iraq mean nothing when discussing Israel and Gaza.  Israel and Gaza is not Iraq, it's an entirely different situation.  Iraq was not a hotbed for religious fundamentalism until we marched into it when we should have been focused on Afghanistan and capturing Bin Ladin.  Israel and Gaza's problems have existed in one way or the other for over 4,000 years.

Jason,

Thank you for your dedicated service, my freedom depends on it. As for Mr. Albert, ignore him, his unfortunate views are purely misguided hatespeech.

Islam is the unifying religion for this part of the world, whether Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, or even Gaza.  The goal of Islam is a one-world Islamic state governed by Sharia law.  That includes tiny Israel and our own United States.  Their goal is our annhilation.  Not all Muslims are jihadists though.  Most are not - simply because they don't know what their religion demands.  Similarly most so-called Christians never read the Bible.

Please take time to educate yourselves on this topic, our freedom and that of all the nations is at stake.

Read the 5-part newsletter Muhammed and the Qur'an: A book of War or Peace? 

GodsGirl CI have a link to that article?  I can't seem to find any with that specific name.

sorry - the link disappeared

GodsGirl..............right...................Eric knows more about the deepth of this political and historical conduct then your statement can communicate an understanding of what you saw in the footage.  Discuss it reasonably without calling names or go watch for the second coming. Leave the keyboard to those who have something more to say then "he's ugly" nah nah!

I did see alot of Hamas members and several AK's and RPG's.  Then again, Hamas doesn't have tanks, advanced aircraft, a navy, or a standing army to really speak of.

Disproportionate is the word I would use.

So, are the Israelis supposed to drop the weapons they have and downgrade before they go into battle? HA! How silly.

So, are the Israelis supposed to drop the weapons they have and downgrade before they go into battle?

No, they're supposed to not deliberately target civilians and trying to maximize civilian deaths. Nothing silly, just stop killing innocents.

As I said above, CNN reports that the UN and Palestinian officials put the death toll in Gaza at 25% civilian casualties. It's obvious from those figures that Israel is targeting Hamas, not civilians. Perhaps Hamas will grow a pair and stop using their wives and children as human shields.

CNN! eh?

the numbers I hear are that about 1/2 the deaths are Hamas, I think I'll take this with a grain of salt for now.

Yeah, CNN -- "the most trusted name in news."

Interestingly, Fox is reporting similar numbers.

At last check, MSNBC was still running pre-recorded sunday morning shows. "Wake up, people!"

50% civilian casualties would be terribly high -- 25% is awfully high. Even so, unless you believe that 50% of all residents of Gaza are Hamas, then you will recognize that Israel is not targeting civilians.

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot a 13-year-old girl

An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.

Hmmm...

http://icyn22ro.newsvine.com/_news/2009/01/03/2271005-people-and-the-land-the-story-of-a-people-under-occupation

not targeting civilians my ass.

You do realize that by Israeli methodology that any male of fighting age is not considered a civilian right?  Whether they are or not doesn't matter, they'll be counted as a militant and therefore a legitimate war casualty in the eyes of Israel and most of the world.  So if we assume that just 25% of the fighting age men who are dying are NOT Hamas then how would those civilian casualty numbers look?  I personally doubt if even the greater majority of the fighting age men are actually participating in the bloodshed but they were raised to hate and fear the Israeli's so the do put themselves in bad situations to see and cheer on the militants taking on Israel.  Then they are used as shields by , Hamas and they benefit from these mens deaths when they use it as propaganda.  Truth in the deaths of civilians will always be somewhere between where either side claims it to be. 

Both sides are a$$es though and I really wish the international community had the balls to stand up to a nuclear armed Israel but that is where the rubber meets the road.  The world fears Israel with good reason because the world knows Israel will use their nuclear arsenal to defend themselves from a full blown invasion.  Make no mistake about that as why the world stands idly by.  Israel is quite capable of taking out everything around them if push came to shove and they'll do it if they feel the need.  I have no personal doubt about that.

Israeli officer: I was right to shoot a 13-year-old girl

In case anyone needs link to #17.7 - Sun Jan 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST

Also a good point Dennis.

Technically you're right in the grand scheme of things Jasonp162, the whole of the Middle East has experienced 4,000 years of violence.  However, when the Baath party took over Iraq secularism was the law of the land and while Saddam's rule was brutal there wasn't much religiously based fighting and in fact there wasn't any Islamic sharia law except in civil court until we invaded their country.

Would you care to keep your comments in the right threads though so we're not all spread out and disconnected?

Again, under Saddam women were not kept from getting educations Jasonp.  Women were very much encouraged in Saddam's Iraq to get educations and many a woman served high profile positions in government and business in Iraq. 

In fact, after the first Gulf War the women of Iraq began to lose many of the freedoms and rights they held under Saddam's rule prior to that.  If you don't believe me here's a few links and I can provide many others if you need them.

http://www.iraqinews.com/politics/iraqi-women-lost-rights-after-us-invasion.html?Itemid=126

http://www.hrw.org/legacy/backgrounder/wrd/iraq-women.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501744.html

I believe you have Iraq confused with Taliban controlled Afghanistan.

Jason, our government's actions are exactly what puts us in danger of that happening.  I really wish you would shake off your military "conditioning" and investigate what's really going on in the world.  Most of all, I'm concerned that you said "I don't care why we're there."

Jason,

Perhaps if you exploring these sites, from the perspective of veterans like yourself, will help.

http://ivaw.org/membersspeak

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/

Please do post some facts to support you're claims Jasonp162.  Many will give a fair ear to them but please make sure you know what you're talking about.

Jasonp-do you not know how to keep your posts attached to the comments you're responding too?

Jasonp162,

The topic is the Israeli air strike and massacre in Gaza.

Yet here you are congradulating jaykay who is claiming that there are no such people as Palestinians, while Israel is proceeding with the destruction of Palestine.  Meanwhile, jaykay is campaigning to erase traces of the very existence of Palestinians while they are still breathing.

All in a day's work.  

Yes. It is a Pavlovian thing I guess.

So, tell me, what is it that makes this carnage okay????  This is madness.

Nothing but the leadership of both sides are gaining big political points while it goes on.  Only the common people suffer.

It is not just the leadership benefiting from political points, but the various criminal war/security rackets as well.

Think of all the weapons that will need replacing.

Also, The finance/corporate cartel is also benefiting.  These rackets are probably the top profiteers.

Financing the weapons systems with compound interest rooted in a debt-based monetary system with fiat dollars, reap huge profits.

And the good people of the United States are really the ones footing the bill, how very kind of us.

Let's stop sending Israel money for a year or two and see how much stomach they have for this battle.

how does Obama plan on explaining sending war money to Israel while Ameircans are becoming homeless, shelters fill up, soup kitchens mulitiply, unemployment benefits end, municipalities go broke, services dry up.................and Israel gets its millions in war dollars.

I pay taxes, I watched, and I watch the carnage wrought by the Islamic terrorists, like the World Trade Centers collapsing, people jumping from windows, hundreds crushed to death in the collapse, plane wreckage and body parts in fields, a burning government building.  I've watched the video of Islamists cutting the heads off of living people and having quite a fun time doing so, holding the head up as a trophy, then setting it on the back of the victim while again posing.

If the tax paying Americans would watch the videos of the destruction and carnage the Islamists have caused and will continue to cause, they'd be cheering Israel and beeging for a tax increase to supply more weapons to Israel and our other allies willing to put a stop to the Islamic terrorism gangs.  We should be seeing the graphic videos of the 9/11 attacks every single day.  We should bee the suicide bomber carnage every day.  We should see the rocket attacks on Israel evry day.

It is sickening to see any person take the side of Hamas and the other terrorists.  As sickening as seeing the children of Hamas used as shields and propaganda pawns.  Hamas cares no more for their own children than the do the Jews.

 I watch the carnage wrought by the Islamic terrorists, like the World Trade Centers collapsing, people jumping from windows, hundreds crushed to death in the collapse, plane wreckage and body parts in fields, a burning government building

What does that have to do with the Palestinians?

Palestininans...................the people of Palestine.  there is a seed discussing your topic, which is Hamas.  No one is discussin that here in relation to the vid.

Get it.

Bombs dont explode into feather puffs. Not trying to be insensitive and nonchalant about the deaths of innocents but videos like these can be found all all sides of the isle in any war. I truly pray for peace and Gods grace to those people and Israel. Please read what I wrote below on being led by emotions and jumping to conclusions.

Jonathan,

Don't try to drape this massacre with the justifications for the WW. This is a land grab. Don't compare this slaughter of innocents to the attacks that ended an atrocious war against a hard fighting enemy, this is war on civilians. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING, so don't try to justify this as anything other than the massacre it really is.

Don't try to drape this massacre with the justifications for the WW.

I'm merely making a comparison of the need for war under dire circumstances. The justification for the WW and this current conflict are different, but it is no land grab. Don't delude yourself.

this is war on civilians

You are correct. Hamas has for too long attacked innocent civilians in southern Israel. Their terrorism must end, and Israel is making sure of it. As tragic as the loss of life in Gaza is, it is important to note that it would not be happening if Hamas was not seeking Israel's destruction with such bloodthirsty fervor.

 The only end to the massacre is to end the culprits behind it, Hamas.

You are correct. Hamas has for too long attacked innocent civilians in southern Israel. Their terrorism must end, and Israel is making sure of it. As tragic as the loss of life in Gaza is, it is important to note that it would not be happening if Hamas was not seeking Israel's destruction with such bloodthirsty fervor.

 The only end to the massacre is to end the culprits behind it, Hamas.

So your telling me that this is going to end Hamas, is it?  I very much doubt that.  This has been going on for a very long time, and it will keep going on for a very long time.

So your telling me that this is going to end Hamas, is it?  I very much doubt that.  This has been going on for a very long time, and it will keep going on for a very long time.

I don't know that this current conflict will end Hamas, but what I am saying is that this region will finally have peace once the terrorists (notably Hamas) are eliminated.

I don't know that this current conflict will end Hamas, but what I am saying is that this region will finally have peace once the terrorists (notably Hamas) are eliminated.

You don't know that this conflict will end Hamas?  You can be positive it won't.  The ugliness of their position is that the harder Israel hits them and the more people they kill, the more recruits they get.

One of their major selling points for recruits in the gaza strip is in fact that Israel is opposed to them.

what I am saying is that this region will finally have peace once the terrorists (notably Hamas) are eliminated.

Have I missed something? Hamas has been around about 20 years. The conflict has been running since Israel was founded and compounded by an illegal Israeli land grab in 1967. Hamas is a consequence of Israel showing it has no intentions of returning stolen land or treating all its citizens (including those in Occupied territories) equally. Instead continuing apartheid policies. Eliminating Hamas will achieve nothing for Israel - only worsen its fate.

Jonathan,

The war profiteers from the "civilized nations",  made money from both sides before and during WWII. 

Perhaps if they did not help to build up Nazi Germany or have our military blockade Japan which was a  threat to our markets,  WWII could have been avoided. 

Sadly, we will never know.

Back to this topic, I could not watch it after only the 1st minute or so.   However, I do think it is important for people to see both sides of any situation. 

Unfortunately, even if they see the Palestinian side, they don't understand who benefits.

your emotions rule you in this matter.

your emotions rule you in this matter.

And your willful blindness rules you in this matter.

Jaragga

dnftt

got ya tschreck :)

masea2, apparently YOU are the one that has not looked deep into what really caused the horrors as evidenced by your "callous" and ignorant post.  No one is "seeking any reason to condemn Israel."  Israel's actions speak loud and clear and SHOULD be condemned as should all the insane behavior that created this conflict.

Perhaps you'd be more compassionate if someone cut you off from the rest of the world and placed you in a little parcel of land without access to clean water, employment, and food.  There are innocent people being killed and all you can do is offer  a smug and distorted commentary?

Askari, I think you missed or ignored the point I made in my post.  It is not that I am indifferent to human suffering, six million of my people were butchered by Nazis, it is that we need to blame those who are responsible for this suffering. 

IDF bombs were instrument ultimately brought onto Palestinian people by fanatical and cruel terrorist regime they, themselves put into place.  No Hamas, no bombing!  Not a single bomb was dropped on West Bank in the past 10 days.